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Post by KlausNCaroline on Nov 3, 2012 8:02:02 GMT -5
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Post by cashima on Nov 7, 2012 8:04:03 GMT -5
The more distance I get from Rebekah episodes the less I feel for her. Because in 4x04 she claims to feel compassion for Stefan and Elena and their illfated love  , but her compassion isn't stronger than her spite for her brother. I'd be pretty [censored]ed off if someone told me how much they cared about my suffering, but [censored]ing off their brother was more important than curing my heartache. So who can blame Stefan for putting his suffering over her little sibling war? If she felt genuine compassion there shouldn't be a contest. |
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Post by sourwolf on Nov 7, 2012 13:54:06 GMT -5
The more distance I get from Rebekah episodes the less I feel for her. Because in 4x04 she claims to feel compassion for Stefan and Elena and their illfated love , but her compassion isn't stronger than her spite for her brother. I'd be pretty [censored]ed off if someone told me how much they cared about my suffering, but [censored]ing off their brother was more important than curing my heartache. So who can blame Stefan for putting his suffering over her little sibling war? If she felt genuine compassion there shouldn't be a contest. Stefan did the exact same thing to her, though. He apologized to her and acted like he wanted to start over with a clean slate, yet she later found out the same day he was only lying to her to help out the brother who disowned her. The same argument applies to Stefan. If his compassion for her was as genuine as he was making it sound then he wouldn't have agreed to throw Rebekah under the bus for a cure that might not even be real. I don't think it's fair to say Rebekah has an obligation to focus more on her compassion for other people when the past has proven for her that that gets her nowhere. She has tried to do that numerous times throughout her life yet in every instance people have proven they don't care. Of all her siblings, Rebekah is the one who constantly opens up her heart to people only to have her vulnerability mocked at and thrown right back in her face. Rebekah can't win no matter what she does. If she's not being criticized for loving too easily and being "weak" for having more compassion than the other members of her family than she's getting flak for being a heartless [censored]. Neither criticism accurately describes her, imo. |
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Post by cashima on Nov 7, 2012 16:35:23 GMT -5
Stefan did the exact same thing to her, though. He apologized to her and acted like he wanted to start over with a clean slate, yet she later found out the same day he was only lying to her to help out the brother who disowned her. The same argument applies to Stefan. If his compassion for her was as genuine as he was making it sound then he wouldn't have agreed to throw Rebekah under the bus for a cure that might not even be real. I don't think it's fair to say Rebekah has an obligation to focus more on her compassion for other people when the past has proven for her that that gets her nowhere. She has tried to do that numerous times throughout her life yet in every instance people have proven they don't care. I just think she's being praised a bit too much by some fans these days, as if she were some angel of goodness. Caroline is the only character I'd to call 'good' and even she's capable of deception. But just because Rebekah has been used and deceived so many times doesn't wipe out that she can give back as good as she gets. In her case the goodness outweighs the badness, though Team MF would disagree. Still, she proved her egotism first by refusing to help Stefan. She didn't refuse because she didn't trust him (the poor girl still hasn't learnt!) but because she wanted to keep Klaus from getting his will. That's when Stefan revealed his own selfishness. I'm not saying either of them is better or worse, but I've seen so much Stefan hate for what he's done. I don't agree with that. Rebekah is as tragic as Klaus. Some of it is her own fault, some of it isn't. |
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Post by sourwolf on Nov 7, 2012 17:38:01 GMT -5
Trust me, Rebekah is one of those characters who people either really love or really hate. She's not going to get much hate on this forum however because most of us love the Originals more than the three lead characters.
None of the characters are good, imo, at least not in the way I think most are using that word to describe certain characters. Rebekah is capable of being deceitful and [censored]y just as much as everyone else, but I tend to cut her quite a bit of slack because of everything she's been through. Some people may not consider that an acceptable "excuse" but that's also the same reason Klaus is my favorite character. I find them the most relatable and empathize with all the garbage they've had to deal with from their own family members and other people they've trusted.
But I understand your frustration over the Stefan hate. Though him helping Klaus dagger Rebekah again did upset me a little bit, I was more angry at Klaus for that whole thing. Stefan just got sucked into their feud because he had something to gain for Elena. His involvement left a bad taste in my mouth because he was trying to play nice with Rebekah earlier in the episode, but ultimately it's not his fault Rebekah has such a dysfunctional relationship with her older brother. Klaus would have daggered Rebekah even without Stefan's help since that's what he always does when a sibling [censored]es him off.
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Post by Mandy on Nov 7, 2012 23:22:14 GMT -5
Trust me, Rebekah is one of those characters who people either really love or really hate. She's not going to get much hate on this forum however because most of us love the Originals more than the three lead characters. None of the characters are good, imo, at least not in the way I think most are using that word to describe certain characters. Rebekah is capable of being deceitful and [censored]y just as much as everyone else, but I tend to cut her quite a bit of slack because of everything she's been through. Some people may not consider that an acceptable "excuse" but that's also the same reason Klaus is my favorite character. I find them the most relatable and empathize with all the garbage they've had to deal with from their own family members and other people they've trusted. But I understand your frustration over the Stefan hate. Though him helping Klaus dagger Rebekah again did upset me a little bit, I was more angry at Klaus for that whole thing. Stefan just got sucked into their feud because he had something to gain for Elena. His involvement left a bad taste in my mouth because he was trying to play nice with Rebekah earlier in the episode, but ultimately it's not his fault Rebekah has such a dysfunctional relationship with her older brother. Klaus would have daggered Rebekah even without Stefan's help since that's what he always does when a sibling [censored]es him off. While Klaus DOES dagger his siblings when he's mad at them (btw, what made him dagger Kol? Have they said?) this time it was more because she was the weakest link in his plan. Like he said earlier Rebekah was being hateful and we all know she would have immediately either tried to get the sword first or would have blabbed about the cure just to get back at Klaus. Stefan knew this, too, which is why he helped. Maybe it's just because it's Klaus and I will always have his back, I wasn't mad at him for doing it. I feel bad for Rebekah, just because she's had a horrible couple of months, but I understood why it happened. I wasn't on Tumblr much back when Elena daggered Rebekah. What was the reaction then? |
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Post by sourwolf on Nov 8, 2012 0:40:37 GMT -5
I guess I didn't see it that way. Yes, I agree he was worried that Rebekah would mess up his plan, but I think she's so determined to distance herself from Klaus right now that she would have decided she wanted nothing to do with finding the sword or the cure. Right now she's more concerned with trying to make friends and get Matt to like her.
I love Klaus no matter what, but I also love Rebekah nearly as much as him so I usually have a hard time watching scenes where Klaus and Rebekah are fighting with each other.
I don't remember the reaction on tumblr, but a lot of people on IMDb were really [censored]ed off at Elena.
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Post by cashima on Nov 8, 2012 8:19:06 GMT -5
While Klaus DOES dagger his siblings when he's mad at them (btw, what made him dagger Kol? Have they said?) this time it was more because she was the weakest link in his plan. Like he said earlier Rebekah was being hateful and we all know she would have immediately either tried to get the sword first or would have blabbed about the cure just to get back at Klaus. Stefan knew this, too, which is why he helped. The episode really gave me the impression that their fight did something to him as well, aside from causing raging anger. He doesn't trust her anymore. I don't know whether I agree with him. I thought he could have got her back on his side had he not rubbed her foolishness about men in her face all night. But the point is that he didn't believe he could rely on her anymore. By destroying the blood bags she destroyed his stupid, darn annoying life's mission. It's ironic that the most impulsive man on earth doesn't understand that other people also do things in the spur of the moment that they regret later. Betray him once and his trust is gone. |
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Post by sourwolf on Dec 8, 2012 16:00:19 GMT -5
Rebekah neede to come back soon. I miss her.  |
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Post by KlausNCaroline on Dec 10, 2012 9:50:14 GMT -5
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, but her compassion isn't stronger than her spite for her brother. I'd be pretty [censored]ed off if someone told me how much they cared about my suffering, but [censored]ing off their brother was more important than curing my heartache. So who can blame Stefan for putting his suffering over her little sibling war? If she felt genuine compassion there shouldn't be a contest.
