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Post by SireMe on Dec 13, 2012 23:18:40 GMT -5
Also, I know the majority of us love Klaus regardless of what he does but I still want to say this. He hasn't changed, he's still a "bad" guy so we shouldn't be surprised when he goes off the rails. Just because we have seen his human side with Caroline doesn't automatically mean that he's completely different and no longer a threat. Tyler was working against him, Caroline and Stefan betrayed him, how else was he supposed to react? He can't change who he is just because he has a crush. I'm going to say what I've been saying all along (I know I sound like a broken record) but if they didn't want any trouble they shouldn't have gone looking for it. The gang should realize that they messed with Klaus and now they're paying the price. Especially Tyler, he should have been prepared for the consequences and accept them. Also, Tyler thought they were just going to entomb Klaus and forget about him? Like his blood isn't still the cure for a werewolf bite. Were they planning to drain him before that? I bet it didn't even cross their mind because this group never thinks things all the way through. I know it was Tyler's mom and when they find out he killed her, Caroline won't be happy. But, Klaus' actions were justified (in the context of the show). We can't apply real life morals to it because these characters are living in a completely different world than ours. There's nothing wrong with recognizing (and we should) when something is wrong; i.e. Damon's abuse of Caroline, killing people purely for revenge, falling in love with mass murderers LOL. But we shouldn't expect the characters to react in a similar way we would in a real life situation. I still think the K/C ship is going to happen, eventually... but it will. P.S. Sorry for the essay. It just bugs me when people think Klaus should be a goodie two shoes just because he likes Caroline. LET ME LOVE YOU! ...hey, where's Kat? I never ever thought about Klaus being a "good guy" just because he's infatuated with Caroline. I never wanted or want him to change his evil ways, either. NEVER. I've said it, and Joseph finally agreed that there may be a level of compromise but is he too stubborn to do it? Honestly, even if it sacrifices the potential for Klaroline to become canon, I'd rather Klaus stay Klaus - warts and all. Mellowing him out is just not lawful.
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Post by vampdiaries808 on Dec 13, 2012 23:47:53 GMT -5
Im here, Deee!!!!!!!!! ;D This episode killed me. MY STELENA AND KLAROLINE HEART ARE JUST IN P A I N like goodness gracious!!!! Im still positive about them both but ugh....major setback tonight for my bbys. Jeremy made my friends and I jump when he surprised attacked Elena LOL I was having a heart attack..... I loved Beremy. ;D Damon AND Stefan (mostly Stefan) needed a HUGE HUG because this elena thing is tearing them apart I didnt like how Tyler was all mad at Caroline for trying to protect him and why the hell did he lock her up with the hybrids who tried to kill her?! BUT, I did feel bad for him tonight because klaus killed carol Klaus needed a hug after his lonely speech part and I LOVEDDDDDDDD how Steroline actually felt guilty about Klaus... ;D Hayley....hate her. Still think Shane is Silias OR his spirit was transferred to Shane's body. Is that possible? Im worried and curious about April...how the hell did she find rebekah? Oh and KLAUS WAS A BAMF. darn, SON. Overall, painful and intense episode.....
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Post by SireMe on Dec 13, 2012 23:52:53 GMT -5
KAT! *sniffle* April really grew on me. I hope the vampy stuff doesn't scare her away.
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Post by Mandy on Dec 13, 2012 23:55:31 GMT -5
Kat, April heard Caroline saying how Rebekah's body was in the cellar and that they were going to use it with their Klaus plan which will go along perfectly with Rebekah getting her revenge against them in the next episode Dee, I agree. My love for Klaus outweighs changing him into someone that THIS caroline could be with. I'm all for them both compromising a bit, though. I just KNOW that Klaus is getting a romantic scene this season. He just is. That's a fact. So they either have to get Caroline to a place where that's possible, or they'll pull a Damon and give him a little guest star to play around with. I know Cashima will back me up on this. ;D
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Post by vampdiaries808 on Dec 14, 2012 0:06:46 GMT -5
Kat, April heard Caroline saying how Rebekah's body was in the cellar and that they were going to use it with their Klaus plan which will go along perfectly with Rebekah getting her revenge against them in the next episode Dee, I agree. My love for Klaus outweighs changing him into someone that THIS caroline could be with. I'm all for them both compromising a bit, though. I just KNOW that Klaus is getting a romantic scene this season. He just is. That's a fact. So they either have to get Caroline to a place where that's possible, or they'll pull a Damon and give him a little guest star to play around with. I know Cashima will back me up on this. ;D I take comfort in the fact that Klaus can and IS stubborn to make a full turn around. He'll bend a little but not until he snaps. Caroline should know that too OHHHH REBEKAH IS GONNA GET MAD THEN?! LOL I forgot that part......and im off to watch that promo. @deeeee!!!!!
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Post by sourwolf on Dec 14, 2012 0:12:08 GMT -5
Does anyone know where I can watch tonight's episode? Unfortunately it didn't record even though I have my dvr set to record all new episodes. I'm too impatient to wait until tomorrow to watch the new episode.
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Post by KStewFTW on Dec 14, 2012 1:04:38 GMT -5
Kat, April heard Caroline saying how Rebekah's body was in the cellar and that they were going to use it with their Klaus plan which will go along perfectly with Rebekah getting her revenge against them in the next episode Dee, I agree. My love for Klaus outweighs changing him into someone that THIS caroline could be with. I'm all for them both compromising a bit, though. I just KNOW that Klaus is getting a romantic scene this season. He just is. That's a fact. So they either have to get Caroline to a place where that's possible, or they'll pull a Damon and give him a little guest star to play around with. I know Cashima will back me up on this. ;D YES! I'm officially a Klaus fan over anyone else on this show (it used to be Caroline). I'm seriously at a point where I love him so much that I just can't see myself watching this show if he's not in it! But holy garbage! I can't picture Klaus hooking up with some random, I just can't. Sorry, I know this is totally a double standard because I can stomach Caroline kissing Tyler but I can't see Klaus doing the same with someone else. I really hope his first kiss in this show is with Caroline. Wether it's angry or sweet, I don't care anymore LOL.
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Post by vampdiaries808 on Dec 14, 2012 1:08:23 GMT -5
I agree with you all!!!! ;D #hardcoreklausfan and I cannot picture Klaus pulling a Damon tbh......thats just me but he only wants Caroline and the fact that he hasn't pulled a Damon yet is VERY telling imo... Caroline dries is co-writing the prom episode.....KC
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Post by Mandy on Dec 14, 2012 1:29:44 GMT -5
Kat, April heard Caroline saying how Rebekah's body was in the cellar and that they were going to use it with their Klaus plan which will go along perfectly with Rebekah getting her revenge against them in the next episode Dee, I agree. My love for Klaus outweighs changing him into someone that THIS caroline could be with. I'm all for them both compromising a bit, though. I just KNOW that Klaus is getting a romantic scene this season. He just is. That's a fact. So they either have to get Caroline to a place where that's possible, or they'll pull a Damon and give him a little guest star to play around with. I know Cashima will back me up on this. ;D YES! I'm officially a Klaus fan over anyone else on this show (it used to be Caroline). I'm seriously at a point where I love him so much that I just can't see myself watching this show if he's not in it! But holy garbage! I can't picture Klaus hooking up with some random, I just can't. Sorry, I know this is totally a double standard because I can stomach Caroline kissing Tyler but I can't see Klaus doing the same with someone else. I really hope his first kiss in this show is with Caroline. Wether it's angry or sweet, I don't care anymore LOL. Yeah, I'm out if Klaus dies. I'll just follow JoMo around and stalk his career and cry on my couch and watch reruns. I can't see them pulling some random girl for a relationship (*cough*Andi *cough*) either, but if it's between that or nothing at all, I'm definitely going with that. He can kill her afterward if he wants, I don't mind...lol. This is one of the reasons I am so sure about Klaroline. You don't star in a CW show, be that smokin' hot, and not get a love scene. So, yeah. KC is happening. I'm pleasantly surprised. There's not that much Klaus hate out there. Sure, there's some, especially from the Tyler fans but all I've been seeing is praise and a lot of "Klaus is a BAMF". Makes me happy.
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Post by ladyjscarlett on Dec 14, 2012 1:32:45 GMT -5
Also disappointed that there weren't any more K/C scenes. [censored]?! Yes! I thought the month of December was suppose to be good to Klaroline fans. One scene of Klaroline layered with many other scenes of Steroline talking about Klaus does not count! I watched the episode and just wanted to say out loud, "What the hell just happened?" I have not felt that way about a TVD episode..on the edge of my seat, yes. Confused, disoriented and slightly euphoric at once, no. Kudos to all who called Tyler on locking Caroline up. Was really disgusted they ended up working together. Because not once in that scene where Tyler locked her up and talked about "the cure" not being a cure for hybrids did he actually look up at Caroline and ask, "Do you want the cure?" Shame on you Tyler! If you are so in love, like you said you are, you would have asked Caroline what she wanted. Being a hero means putting someone else's needs ahead of your own. And having a bunch of vampires find a cure could potentially mean many innocent lives saved down the road.... But you were too busy being the alpha male to think about that... The ending scene where Stefan and Caroline are talking, I just want to say, "get over her Stefan!" Caroline will be single soon... I am with Dee, I want the Klaus-Caroline-Stefan interaction to be the new deal. And Klefan, love the friendship, but can we have Caroline in the room more when these two interact. It is always Klaus and Stefan or Klaus and Caroline. I was expecting Steroline to come to Klaus' rescue at the end... Okay, any theories on the 12 hybrids being sacrificed? And What the Heck? January 17th? An October start date wasn't bad enough, now we have to wait five weeks...
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Post by vampdiaries808 on Dec 14, 2012 1:38:21 GMT -5
@ladyj: I think JP was right on point when she said this was big for Klaroline....we got Caroline admitting to feeling guilty and there was a major setback. how is that not big for them? Tyler [censored]ed me off before Klaus killed Carol...then I felt sorry for him. @mandy: the day that kiss/love scene happens, i wont be able to comment because i'll be DEAD..................
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Post by ladyjscarlett on Dec 14, 2012 1:47:44 GMT -5
Yes, I re-read your Klaroline spoiler post and I concur, now. I was wishing for more scenes? And kind of felt like we would see more after the preview? But in the back of my mind, I am asking, how are they going to forgive each other?
And please Caroline, dump Tyler. Even if you stay single, dump the guy who never asked you if you wanted the cure. Which by the way, we still do not have an answer to!!!
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Post by Mandy on Dec 14, 2012 1:50:12 GMT -5
I know I mentioned it a bit earlier, but does everyone think the "best convo in TVD history" was between Klaus and Stefan? It's got to be, right? I swear if these two just confessed their undying love for each other, I would melt into the floor. I agree with LadyJ, Klefaroline is the new deal. Kat, I will mourn your passing.
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Post by KStewFTW on Dec 14, 2012 1:51:31 GMT -5
Also disappointed that there weren't any more K/C scenes. [censored]?! Kudos to all who called Tyler on locking Caroline up. Was really disgusted they ended up working together. Because not once in that scene where Tyler locked her up and talked about "the cure" not being a cure for hybrids did he actually look up at Caroline and ask, "Do you want the cure?" Shame on you Tyler! If you are so in love, like you said you are, you would have asked Caroline what she wanted. Being a hero means putting someone else's needs ahead of your own. And having a bunch of vampires find a cure could potentially mean many innocent lives saved down the road.... But you were too busy being the alpha male to think about that... And What the Heck? January 17th? An October start date wasn't bad enough, now we have to wait five weeks... Tyler obviously didn't care about anything else except freeing the hybrids. Who cares if Caroline wanted to be human again? Klaus had more interest in that than he did. So sad. The winter break is a bit long but the fact that they started in October means we probably won't get another big break around march like we usually do I know I mentioned it a bit earlier, but does everyone think the "best convo in TVD history" was between Klaus and Stefan? It's got to be, right? I swear if these two just confessed their undying love for each other, I would melt into the floor. I agree with LadyJ, Klefaroline is the new deal. Kat, I will mourn your passing. It's funny how I joked about it in the 4x09 spoiler thread but now I'm thinking that's who Chris Grismer was referring to. Who else??? Unless it was Stefan and Caroline talking about how Klaus is no different than them.
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Post by SireMe on Dec 14, 2012 2:02:44 GMT -5
It's either one of those two conversations because both were pretty epic. I mean, the whole loneliness speech that Klaus gave Stefan was touching and oh so true and hit SO close to home. For me at least. But I think it might be the Steroline convo because it's really eye-opening. It wasn't just about Stefan or Caroline or Klaus. It was comparing ALL vampires and realizing that no single one is different than another just because of their kill count. They're all killers, regardless. And in the end, it draws back on the conversation with Klaus and Stefan - that they're all alone and the only difference is what backing you have behind you - family, friends, or if you're all by yourself. It kind of makes me think that vampires (in the TVDverse) can't live by themselves without becoming the worst kind of monster, a la Klaus. Stefan was Rippah until Lexi helped him. And Damon always had Stefan to have his back which kept him in check. If you're alone, you go rogue. We see that Caroline helps tone down Klaus' anger ("If you don't stop talking I will kill you") and we see that he does truly value having Stefan in his life. ("What more do you need, a brotherhood handshake?") He WANTS people but he's afraid to trust. And then we circle back to Caroline - "Trust is EVERYTHING". Remarkable what one conversation could constitute, eh?
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