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Post by twilightdew on Oct 14, 2012 18:51:22 GMT -5
This thread is for the discussion the mythology and technical aspects of TVD hybrids (who are part werewolf, part vampire.)   Please remember to use spoiler tags if necessary or post your "spoilery" information in The Runway, a section of the forum just for spoilers. Thank you. |
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Post by cashima on Oct 15, 2012 8:20:08 GMT -5
With our favourite hybrid back, it's time for the show to give us some answers. So far TVD has been a little sketchy on hybrids. Here's what we know: - Klaus can be killed with a white oak stake only and dessicated by a witch.
- Lesser hybrids can be killed by chopping their heads off or ripping their hearts out.
- All hybrids share vampire and werewolf strengths. They don't burn in the sun and cannot be harmed by silver. They can turn at will.
- A hybrid bite is poisonous to a vampire.
A lot of things are unclear here. For example, will a stake to the heart not kill regular hybrids? Why Klaus then? Or should we add "white oak" to the list of things that can kill a hybrid? Is Klaus really the only hybrid who can kill a hybrid/werefolf bite? What I'm curious about are the vampire and werewolf weaknesses. When Caroline and Rebekah are in the van they're held by vervain ropes. Klaus comes in and just rips them off. So vervain cannot burn him. He also drank Damon's vervained alcohol without blinking, which means he has a natural tolerance. Yet when Klaus is trying to make hybrids in season 3, vervain and wolfsbane affect those in transition. Is that because they're not full hybrids yet or is it because they're further down the bloodline? Then there's this scene in 4x01  What's with the creepy claw thing without paws? Is that a hint hybrids don't turn into regular wolves? Can Tyler do that on his own or is it Klaus-y? And how exactly does Klaus know what his role as master is though his minions don't have a clue?  |
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Post by twilightdew on Oct 15, 2012 9:44:32 GMT -5
You brought up some very good points, ones that I have been pondering as well. I sometimes wonder if the writers are trying to avoid making absolutes so that they can alter details to make something else plausible later on. Other things that I wonder about: - Staking: I agree, wouldn't staking a lesser hybrid through the heart at least hurt them or slow them down?
- Vervain & Wolfsbane: How much does this affect the hybrids?
- Compulsion: Why can't Klaus just compel Tyler to do his biding rather than relying on the sire bond? We saw Mikael compelling Klaus' hybrids.
- Hybrid Sire Bond: Tyler was already a werewolf so why would he have a sire bond with Klaus? We haven't seen a vampire overly attached to their vampire sire so are they working on the theory that werewolves are naturally more inclined to live in packs so as hybrids would be more connected to their vampire sire? Why would forcing on'es self to turn over and over again break the sire bond?
- The Broken Curse/Making Hybrids: While it was implied that the curse was put upon Klaus, it also sounded like Esther created the curse to block the werewolf gene in all vampires so another Klaus wouldn't exist.
Now that the curse is broken, wouldn't it be logical to see other hybrids popping up, ones who were once vampires and then their werewolf gene was unlocked? Why hasn't Klaus trying making hybrids the way he was created? He could take a human with the werewolf gene, turn him into a vampire and then have him kill someone (or maybe as their first feed) which would unlock the werewolf gene. I would also think that this method would more likely to create a sire blood because the vampire's werewolf gene would unlock with Klaus' blood in their system.
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Post by cashima on Oct 15, 2012 12:08:24 GMT -5
Compulsion: Why can't Klaus just compel Tyler to do his biding rather than relying on the sire bond? We saw Mikael compelling Klaus' hybrids. He probably can but didn't think of doing it since the sire bond was supposed to be stronger. When you compel someone you have to be careful about your wording. Unless you compel the other person they may also resent it, see Stefan's reaction. But after what happened to Tyler Klaus must think of new measures, maybe compel his hybrids to never try and break the bond. Damon mentioned sire bonds were rare, but he knew about them before Tyler was turned. Maybe sire bonds are created whenever a new species creates its first offspring. We heard Mary Porter was crazy. Was she sired to Klaus? Sage was loyal to Finn. Was she sired to him? Is that how Klaus knew any hybrid he created would be loyal to him? Of course sired vampires wouldn't be as reliable as hybrids or Klaus wouldn't be as obsessed with that. Say a sired vampire is grateful for being made immortal, a hybrid would be grateful for both immortality and being freed from the curse. I guess we'll see whether Tyler is really free from his bond. He could disobey Klaus, but could he physically try to kill him? Both are interesting questions. Tyler could be compelled before he became a werewolf. But could he have been turned? Would he have died during the transition? I wonder if there was a second curse that Klaus didn't know about and that this is why hybrids need doppelganger blood. Or werewolves, because they're already one supernatural species, need to repeat part of the ritual that creates a vampire via doppelganger blood. Which brings us to another question: Was Tatia already a doppelganger when Esther used her the first time? |
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Post by twilightdew on Oct 22, 2012 11:31:08 GMT -5
I think that the writers have deliberately kept us in the dark about Tatia because she must more than human.
Good point about sire bonds being rare. We haven't actually met a vampire who was turned by an Original. I wonder how many humans each Original has actually turned and where they are now?
Yeah, and Tyler's bond with Klaus is interesting in how he openly defied Klaus and told him that he wouldn't bite Caroline and then, when the opportunity presented itself, he couldn't control his actions and he bit her. Could he have avoided the whole thing by leaving town at that point? Or was it that he couldn't help but actually go and seek her out so he could bite her?
And another thing that has been bugging me - why didn't Tyler try healing Caroline with his blood? I have to wonder why Klaus' blood would that different from Tylers' - or maybe it's just that Tyler didn't think to try it.
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Post by cashima on Oct 22, 2012 17:51:20 GMT -5
It all comes back to why you make a vampire. Anna it's because you're bored, for power or out of love. Which is why I don't think Elijah sired many vamps. Finn may only have ever sired Sage. Kol and Rebekah must have sired more, but ultimately Klaus must have sired the most, also because he spent all that time outside of a coffin. ;D The sire bond really seems to work subconsciously. I don't think Tyler could even have left town without getting permission. And another thing that has been bugging me - why didn't Tyler try healing Caroline with his blood? I have to wonder why Klaus' blood would that different from Tylers' - or maybe it's just that Tyler didn't think to try it. Exactly! It doesn't make sense for him to not even give it a shot. Maybe it happened off-screen. Maybe it's a combination of immunity and original vampire blood that makes Klaus' blood the only cure. I saw a cute take on Klaus' little problem on tumblr. A horse and a donkey can have a mule together, but the mule does not get to have any more mules. In this scenario Klaus is the mule. Aww. Poor Klaus.  Granted it's a little silly, but Mikael did call Klaus an abomination after all.  |
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Post by aeidail on Mar 12, 2013 8:15:46 GMT -5
Random question: Can full werewolves procreate? I suppose they can. Hybrids can't, I'm sure...I just had the idea that maybe Klaus is an exception.  |
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Post by Mandy on Mar 12, 2013 11:14:40 GMT -5
Random question: Can full werewolves procreate? I suppose they can. Hybrids can't, I'm sure...I just had the idea that maybe Klaus is an exception. Yes, they can. Their kids then have the gene and it is activated if they kill anyone.  |
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Post by horsecrazy on Mar 16, 2013 14:59:01 GMT -5
Werewolves can procreate but hybrids can't, because to be a hybrid they also have to be part vampire, and thus undead. Werewolves are just supernatural, not dead. Vampires can't procreate. I don't see why Klaus would be an exception. Can you imagine all the little mini-Klauses running around, though, if he were? I mean, a thousand years worth of women--that's a lot of illegitimate children.
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Granted it's a little silly, but Mikael did call Klaus an abomination after all. 
