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Post by lovelyvero on Sept 20, 2012 12:42:29 GMT -5
It's the part that I don't really understand in TVD?
It's ok for others to be sad and cry over the lost of a love one, and if I may add, to get revenge, but, it is not ok for the Originals to do the same, or to feel so much anger that they will react to their sadness? For me it makes no sense. If they are not able to understand why Rebekah did what she did, regardless that it was ok or not, then they don't understand the love of a family.[r:Moved posts over to start a thread]
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Post by sourwolf on Sept 20, 2012 12:54:50 GMT -5
It's the part that I don't really understand in TVD? It's ok for others to be sad and cry over the lost of a love one, and if I may add, to get revenge, but, it is not ok for the Originals to do the same, or to feel so much anger that they will react to their sadness? For me it makes no sense. If they are not able to understand why Rebekah did what she did, regardless that it was ok or not, then they don't understand the love of a family. That's the reason why other than Caroline I don't like a lot of the main characters anymore. They have this notion that it's wrong for anyone other than themselves to do whatever it takes to protect themselves and the people they love. How can any of them, particularly Elena, not get that she was turned because her life was tied to the person who was trying to kill them all? This may sound weird, but I almost think Rebekah did them a favor. Elena was going to die or turn for good at some point no matter who it was that did it and they need Alaric gone for good so they all wouldn't end up dead. I know Klaus is supposed to be a problem for them now since the last doppelganger has been turned (which makes no sense to me now since he tried to kill Elena in episode 21 himself for the exact same reason), but Klaus could easily be reigned him by his family members if the show could actually commit to giving all of his siblings screen time. He picked his family over his hybrid army already before last season ended. There's no reason for him to not stick to that choice if his siblings show him they love and support him. |
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Post by KlausNCaroline on Sept 20, 2012 13:22:15 GMT -5
I am going to hate seeing Damon go after Rebekah. I mean did Bonnie go try and kill Damon for killing Abby? What about Jeremy etc etc.. Damons a bit pot calling the kettle to be going after her  [r:Changed "she" to "Rebekah" for clarity] |
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Post by lovelyvero on Sept 20, 2012 14:25:17 GMT -5
It's the part that I don't really understand in TVD? It's ok for others to be sad and cry over the lost of a love one, and if I may add, to get revenge, but, it is not ok for the Originals to do the same, or to feel so much anger that they will react to their sadness? For me it makes no sense. If they are not able to understand why Rebekah did what she did, regardless that it was ok or not, then they don't understand the love of a family. That's the reason why other than Caroline I don't like a lot of the main characters anymore. They have this notion that it's wrong for anyone other than themselves to do whatever it takes to protect themselves and the people they love. How can any of them, particularly Elena, not get that she was turned because her life was tied to the person who was trying to kill them all? This may sound weird, but I almost think Rebekah did them a favor. Elena was going to die or turn for good at some point no matter who it was that did it and they need Alaric gone for good so they all wouldn't end up dead. I know Klaus is supposed to be a problem for them now since the last doppelganger has been turned (which makes no sense to me now since he tried to kill Elena in episode 21 himself for the exact same reason), but Klaus could easily be reigned him by his family members if the show could actually commit to giving all of his siblings screen time. He picked his family over his hybrid army already before last season ended. There's no reason for him to not stick to that choice if his siblings show him they love and support him. But, again it's the vision that the producers want to show in the serie. The right being : Mystic Falls team (vs) the wrong: being the Originals. I don't like that at all....For me, there is NOT one single character in that serie that did not do something wrong at some points since three (3) years. The big bad is obviously: Klaus! I don't say that Klaus did not pushed his bounderies more than once, by doing awful things, but I understand his motivations of survival...Heck! If I had everybody against me, starting at the beginning with my own step father that wanted to kill me, and my crazy mother who played me for a fool...I'm not sure that I would not have turned out like him at the end. |
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Post by sourwolf on Sept 20, 2012 14:49:33 GMT -5
That's the reason why other than Caroline I don't like a lot of the main characters anymore. They have this notion that it's wrong for anyone other than themselves to do whatever it takes to protect themselves and the people they love. How can any of them, particularly Elena, not get that she was turned because her life was tied to the person who was trying to kill them all? This may sound weird, but I almost think Rebekah did them a favor. Elena was going to die or turn for good at some point no matter who it was that did it and they need Alaric gone for good so they all wouldn't end up dead. I know Klaus is supposed to be a problem for them now since the last doppelganger has been turned (which makes no sense to me now since he tried to kill Elena in episode 21 himself for the exact same reason), but Klaus could easily be reigned him by his family members if the show could actually commit to giving all of his siblings screen time. He picked his family over his hybrid army already before last season ended. There's no reason for him to not stick to that choice if his siblings show him they love and support him. I don't like that at all....For me, there is NOT one single character in that serie that did not do something wrong at some points since three (3) years. The big bad is obviously: Klaus! I don't say that Klaus did not pushed his bounderies more than once, by doing awful things, but I understand his motivations of survival...Heck! If I had everybody against me, starting at the beginning with my own step father that wanted to kill me, and my crazy mother who played me for a fool...I'm not sure that I would not have turned out like him at the end. And that's what really bothers me. Most of the time I feel like we're being told two different things. The writers keep labeling the Originals the "villains" whenever they're discussing the characters but the show is telling us something entirely different, that all of these characters have villainous and good sides to them which doesn't make it accurate to stick any of them with such black and white labels as "hero" or "villain". Klaus is definitely the one most out of a touch with his humanity, but like Klaus everyone else are also guilty of being antagonists and committing villainous acts for reasons they believed were entirely justifiable. My belief is if people have to argue about which person is the "real" villain then that's probably a sign that none of these characters can be completely classified as a bad guy or a good guy. I think it's more accurate to say TVD's villain(s) depends on your point of view and which "team" you support. |
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Post by lovelyvero on Sept 20, 2012 15:19:03 GMT -5
But, again it's the vision that the producers want to show in the serie. The right being : Mystic Falls team (vs) the wrong: being the Originals. I don't like that at all....For me, there is NOT one single character in that serie that did not do something wrong at some points since three (3) years. The big bad is obviously: Klaus! I don't say that Klaus did not pushed his bounderies more than once, by doing awful things, but I understand his motivations of survival...Heck! If I had everybody against me, starting at the beginning with my own step father that wanted to kill me, and my crazy mother who played me for a fool...I'm not sure that I would not have turned out like him at the end. And that's what really bothers me. Most of the time I feel like we're being told two different things. The writers keep labeling the Originals the "villains" whenever they're discussing the characters but the show is telling us something entirely different, that all of these characters have villainous and good sides to them which doesn't make it accurate to stick any of them with such black and white labels as "hero" or "villain". Klaus is definitely the one most out of a touch with his humanity, but like Klaus everyone else are also guilty of being antagonists and committing villainous acts for reasons they believed were entirely justifiable. My belief is if people have to argue about which person is the "real" villain then that's probably a sign that none of these characters can be completely classified as a bad guy or a good guy. I think it's more accurate to say TVD's villain(s) depends on your point of view and which "team" you support. Exactly sweetie! They all are in the middle grey...Like us, humans! Well...I know there are no vampires in real life...lol...But, you know what I mean. They are sometimes, bad, sometimes good, sometimes in the middle. So, they need to stop putting labels on them...Because it is getting ridiculous! And, Klaus has a heart! He won't show it ... Simple as that...He's afraid...Because he knows his enemies would turn that fact againt him, and use his weakness like a dagger in his heart. |
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Post by cashima on Sept 28, 2012 18:08:39 GMT -5
But, again it's the vision that the producers want to show in the serie. The right being : Mystic Falls team (vs) the wrong: being the Originals. I don't like that at all....For me, there is NOT one single character in that serie that did not do something wrong at some points since three (3) years. And boy did they do horrible things! The worst of all actually all involve the Originals. They killed Finn just to get rid of Klaus. They didn't care at all that his four siblings would die along with him. So Elena cared about Elijah. Wow. Humanity award for Elena - except she didn't feel bad for the other three siblings. Their next plan included wiping out the entire vampire population except their own bloodline. Isn't this worse than every single plan Klaus has ever had? This is basically vampire genocide. |
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Post by tania on Oct 1, 2012 3:51:06 GMT -5
But, again it's the vision that the producers want to show in the serie. The right being : Mystic Falls team (vs) the wrong: being the Originals. I don't like that at all....For me, there is NOT one single character in that serie that did not do something wrong at some points since three (3) years. And boy did they do horrible things! The worst of all actually all involve the Originals. They killed Finn just to get rid of Klaus. They didn't care at all that his four siblings would die along with him. So Elena cared about Elijah. Wow. Humanity award for Elena - except she didn't feel bad for the other three siblings. Their next plan included wiping out the entire vampire population except their own bloodline. Isn't this worse than every single plan Klaus has ever had? This is basically vampire genocide. That's exactly what I've been thinking since that storyline happened. Let alone the fact that they went against a vampire who had never hurt them or anyone else (poor Finn was more team Mystic Falls than team Originals actually), let alone the fact that they were willing to sacrifice one of their own (*cough*Tyler*cough*). These people were cool with commiting genocide as long the Salvatores and Elena were safe. What the...? This is more messed up than anything the Originals ever did tbh. And I was angry that noone really seemed to call them out on it. Even Caroline, who was about to lose the so-called "love of her life" was more sad than anything else. Shouldn't she judge Stefan and Damon a bit harder? What a dissapointment. And don't get me started on Elena's approach.  |
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Post by sourwolf on Oct 1, 2012 14:39:05 GMT -5
And boy did they do horrible things! The worst of all actually all involve the Originals. They killed Finn just to get rid of Klaus. They didn't care at all that his four siblings would die along with him. So Elena cared about Elijah. Wow. Humanity award for Elena - except she didn't feel bad for the other three siblings. Their next plan included wiping out the entire vampire population except their own bloodline. Isn't this worse than every single plan Klaus has ever had? This is basically vampire genocide. That's exactly what I've been thinking since that storyline happened. Let alone the fact that they went against a vampire who had never hurt them or anyone else (poor Finn was more team Mystic Falls than team Originals actually), let alone the fact that they were willing to sacrifice one of their own (*cough*Tyler*cough*). These people were cool with commiting genocide as long the Salvatores and Elena were safe. What the...? This is more messed up than anything the Originals ever did tbh. And I was angry that noone really seemed to call them out on it. Even Caroline, who was about to lose the so-called "love of her life" was more sad than anything else. Shouldn't she judge Stefan and Damon a bit harder? What a dissapointment. And don't get me started on Elena's approach. Agree with all of this. I guess this goes to show where Elena's true loyalties lie. Her two boyfriends have her undying support even when they do garbagepy things to her friends. It's because of this that I find it ridiculous when people say Caroline will be a bad friend if she and Klaus start dating. Elena is already a garbagepy friend to her. Why should Caroline put Elena first before her own feelings when Elena doesn't even do the same for any of the people she's known her entire life? |
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Post by vampdiaries808 on Oct 2, 2012 10:23:55 GMT -5
THIS. THIS SO MUCH. That's exactly what I've been thinking since that storyline happened. Let alone the fact that they went against a vampire who had never hurt them or anyone else (poor Finn was more team Mystic Falls than team Originals actually), let alone the fact that they were willing to sacrifice one of their own (*cough*Tyler*cough*). These people were cool with commiting genocide as long the Salvatores and Elena were safe. What the...? This is more messed up than anything the Originals ever did tbh. And I was angry that noone really seemed to call them out on it. Even Caroline, who was about to lose the so-called "love of her life" was more sad than anything else. Shouldn't she judge Stefan and Damon a bit harder? What a dissapointment. And don't get me started on Elena's approach. Agree with all of this. I guess this goes to show where Elena's true loyalties lie. Her two boyfriends have her undying support even when they do garbagepy things to her friends. It's because of this that I find it ridiculous when people say Caroline will be a bad friend if she and Klaus start dating. Elena is already a garbagepy friend to her. Why should Caroline put Elena first before her own feelings when Elena doesn't even do the same for any of the people she's known her entire life? Caroline has my blessing to be with Klaus LOL ;D But yes, I find it ludacris that the gang is so low on the list of people Elena cares about. Her perception of judgement is too clouded by the salvatores. (and this is coming from a loyal SE shipper  ) I love Elena's friendship with Caroline but theres a limit, especially when Elena doesnt put her foot down when Damon comes up with a henious plan of sacrfrice for example. |
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Post by cashima on Oct 2, 2012 17:40:50 GMT -5
let alone the fact that they were willing to sacrifice one of their own (*cough*Tyler*cough*). These people were cool with commiting genocide as long the Salvatores and Elena were safe. What the...? This is more messed up than anything the Originals ever did tbh. And I was angry that noone really seemed to call them out on it. Even Caroline, who was about to lose the so-called "love of her life" was more sad than anything else. Shouldn't she judge Stefan and Damon a bit harder? It's like the Salvatores think in three groups of importance. 1. Elena/the other brother 2. Elena's close friends/family who must not die 3. Other people Elena or Stefan call "friends" though they actually don't give a darn/the show just passes over their deaths (including Lexi). Everyone in group 3 might as well be an Original because they're just roadkill. They're expendable for the leads. And the show just behaves as if the leads were the centre of the moral universe. Caroline never questions Tyler's group 3 status though he should be group 1 for her. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 20, 2012 8:28:47 GMT -5
to be fair to Rebekah Matt killed Finn for the same reasons that Rebekah killed Elena. well....except Rebekah hates Elena A LOT
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Post by KlausNCaroline on Oct 20, 2012 8:40:31 GMT -5
to be fair to Rebekah Matt killed Finn for the same reasons that Rebekah killed Elena. well....except Rebekah hates Elena A LOT This is a really good point..I forgot about this. Sadly though as many times as we can say so and so did this, they always make the Originals the Villains, when in fact Team MF havent been any better. |
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Post by Donna on Oct 20, 2012 9:28:42 GMT -5
to be fair to Rebekah Matt killed Finn for the same reasons that Rebekah killed Elena. well....except Rebekah hates Elena A LOT I'd almost like her to bring this up to him. I don't know if she knows he's the one that wielded the stake. |
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Post by Mandy on Oct 20, 2012 10:20:08 GMT -5
to be fair to Rebekah Matt killed Finn for the same reasons that Rebekah killed Elena. well....except Rebekah hates Elena A LOT This is a really good point..I forgot about this. Sadly though as many times as we can say so and so did this, they always make the Originals the Villains, when in fact Team MF havent been any better. Right! The MF gang has gotten so kill happy. At this point, someone just needs to look at one of them wrong and they start talking about taking out the threat. |
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) I love Elena's friendship with Caroline but theres a limit, especially when Elena doesnt put her foot down when Damon comes up with a henious plan of sacrfrice for example. 
