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Post by vampdiaries808 on Feb 8, 2013 9:13:44 GMT -5
Him stroking her hair and her caressing his hand gently as she clasped it...sigh   JUST LOOK AT HIS EXPRESSION!!!  At first, I was hoping he would look down at her or something but no, this is PERFECT just the way it is. This has never happened to him, I suppose...it's affected him deeply. Accepting that he could have never gotten through this and now, it doesn't matter much about what happens next. And the things she said...especially "capable of being saved..." His reaction to that SAID IT ALL...it was just heart-breaking! I doubt Klaus has ever been told such a thing in his entire life! I just think my bby is just so shocked and yes, as you said, isnt used to this. His reaction was so powerful and you can tell he regretted what he did as soon as he saw the damage on her shoulder. The way he gently stroked her hair was adorable and its different from 3x11 because he didnt do that. Oh and dont get me started on Caroline holding onto his hand. Rebekah said he wasnt capable of love, Caroline said the opposite. It wasnt OOC for her because she always sees the good in others. |
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Post by alex88 on Feb 8, 2013 9:14:11 GMT -5
well, I'm very curious whether Caroline was being honest or no...I would like to think it was all real, though she still can't forget all horrible things he'd done (as If others were better) .....we will see in 4x14, If she is back with Tyler,snapping at him and plotting against Klaus...
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Post by Donna on Feb 8, 2013 9:15:07 GMT -5
am I the only one who can´t forgive Klaus that he hurt her, bit her and dropped her to floor like she was nothing and then looked so proud of himself? Condone? No. Forgive. Probably. He just say a second brother die before his eyes. It probably wasn't even necessary. I'm almost betting the cure is fake. And like someone said above. The tattoo was too lame to need to kill that many vampires to complete it. Then to top it off, he was stuck staring at his brother's body. Remember he loved his siblings in a twisted way. He carted their daggered bodies around with him. Then Tyler taunting him. And Caroline too. She was pretty cruel with how she was talking about Kol. He'd just spilled out to Damon how he hoped for her forgiveness and she pretty much cruelly killed it there by ganging up on him with Tyler. He figured "They think I'm bad? I'll show them bad." Remember his speech to Stefan? I can understand why they wouldn't trust him. But he had been upfront to them and they continuously stabbed him in the back. Where did it end up for him? Betrayal after betrayal. Leading to the ultimate betrayal of Kol. They dunderheads almost got Elena killed by not trusting Klaus about how bad Elena's hallucinations would get. It was a move to say "I was straightforward with you and you guys backstabbed me. I'll teach you not to backstab me!" And remember one stage of grief is anger. I'm sure that's...what was it they kept saying about Elena? Enhanced? Enhanced x 1000 in Klaus. |
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Post by Donna on Feb 8, 2013 9:16:28 GMT -5
^^ Remember Damons "truthful admissions to Elena? What? My mind must have been glazed over then.  I think I know what you're talking about. It's the episode where Damon is dying from Tyler's bite? I'll have to see if I can rewatch that ep. |
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Post by vampdiaries808 on Feb 8, 2013 9:25:31 GMT -5
well, I'm very curious whether Caroline was being honest or no...I would like to think it was all real, though she still can't forget all horrible things he'd done (as If others were better) .....we will see in 4x14, If she is back with Tyler,snapping at him and plotting against Klaus... But she has seen his humanity and has wanted to forget all the bad things he's done. It was right of her to make that bold assumption of him loving her, just look at his reaction. |
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Post by Mandy on Feb 8, 2013 9:45:32 GMT -5
^^ Remember Damons "truthful admissions to Elena? What? My mind must have been glazed over then. I think I know what you're talking about. It's the episode where Damon is dying from Tyler's bite? I'll have to see if I can rewatch that ep. Yes, 2nd season finale I think. Where Damon is about to die and is talking about how elena would have liked him back when he was a human and then thanked for her kissing him. We didn't get much of what Rose was thinking there at the end since Damon got into her dreams (the scene makes me cry every time) she mostly rolled around in bed there for a while and talked about how she just wanted it to stop. I just truly believe that Caroline wasn't "playing" him in the sense that she was flat out lying. I think she wanted appeal to him, sure, but if lying by stroking his ego was what she was going for, she could have said she'd leave Tyler or she'd go on another date, or she'd give him a chance, etc. She didn't say anything that she hadn't said before. 4 episodes ago she said she was having a hard time remembering all the bad stuff he's done. @alex, I'm sort of the opposite actually. I guess it's the Klaus stan in me, because I can remember everything Caroline was saying before he staked her...and she sort of had it coming. That sounds awful, I know, but if it had been anyone else, no one would have thought ANYTHING about what Klaus did. She pretty much called Kol a piece of garbage. Whahh, Kol. Caroline just got over-confident because up to that point she's done and said anything she wants to him and he's not done anything back. People calling it an abusive relationship need to step back and realize THEY ARE WATCHING A VAMPIRE SHOW. Things that we certainly wouldn't condone in real life have no part in a supernatural show where you don't die if you get your neck snapped. They are writing Tyler into a corner, big time. He's a leader! He can do no wrong! stuff they sell him when he CONTINUOUSLY tries to go after Klaus with horrible consequences makes my eyes fall out of their sockets. It's like those people who enter a tiger's den and then get mauled. Yes, it's your fault you got hurt because you should know better. Them trying to make Tyler take the blame for that and then Caroline being all "NO NEVER YOUR FAULT NEVER EVER" just makes it worse because Tyler just doesn't learn. |
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Post by snatcheaterase on Feb 8, 2013 9:49:18 GMT -5
I think Caroline was being truthful about all she said. I loved Klaus staking and biting Caroline. She was running her mouth to him, after all the stuff he's done for her and her friends, Tyler included. I also liked Klaus taking Tyler down a few notches when he went over the the Gilbert house to gloat.
I didn't get the you love though. I thought it was kind of presumptuous of her to think Klaus loves her
Also, I have a question. Elena brings up Bonnie and tells Damon and you wonder why Bonnie hates you. Damon says I don't wonder, I don't care what she thinks of me. Is Elena bringing up Bonnie, and Damon saying he doesn't care what she thinks of him, are those throwaway lines or do they mean something?
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Post by Mandy on Feb 8, 2013 10:05:07 GMT -5
I think Caroline was being truthful about all she said. I loved Klaus staking and biting Caroline. She was running her mouth to him, after all the stuff he's done for her and her friends, Tyler included. I also liked Klaus taking Tyler down a few notches when he went over the the Gilbert house to gloat. I didn't get the you love though. I thought it was kind of presumptuous of her to think Klaus loves her Also, I have a question. Elena brings up Bonnie and tells Damon and you wonder why Bonnie hates you. Damon says I don't wonder, I don't care what she thinks of me. Is Elena bringing up Bonnie, and Damon saying he doesn't care what she thinks of him, are those throwaway lines or do they mean something? Klaus had a nice "yo mama" joke there, didn't he.  It does show how lightyears away Klaus is in terms of how he handles himself. Caroline was all "you're STILL here", so Tyler had told her ahead of time he was going over to see Klaus with the intent of gloating and running his mouth. He was even getting himself a drink while he was doing it! Can you just not?! I think that if Caroline WAS trying to manipulate him with false words, it would be that line. Not that I think she was thinking "haha, he doesn't really love me but I'll play it like maybe he does and see where it gets me" but I do think she was sort of throwing that out there, hoping maybe it would stick. She's an 18yr old kid. She probably DOES think klaus is in love with her because that's what you do when you're that age. It's Klaus' reaction that is what's important because you could tell he hadn't even considered he was in love with her up to that point. IS he in love with her? I'm not sure. I kind of hope not, mostly because of the spin off UNLESS they plan on keeping Klaroline intact. If it's something that will be dropped right before he leaves, let's not throw out the L-Word because I need to see that with the person they ARE going to keep him with, you know? I've seen people think this is more about Klaus redemption before the new show than it is about Klaroline. They might be right, but that makes KC even more epic to me because she'd always be the one who brought that change out in him. I think the Bonnie thing was just to show how many things delena has stacked against them. There's literally no one (sans Rose) who are happy they are together (definitely a KC/DE parallel there). So bringing up how Bonnie, one of Elena's best friends hates Damon and how damon doesn't care was just the start of the "we don't work" argument they end up having. How are the DE fans reacting, josh? I've been stuck in my KC bubble. |
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Post by snatcheaterase on Feb 8, 2013 10:25:12 GMT -5
I think Caroline was being truthful about all she said. I loved Klaus staking and biting Caroline. She was running her mouth to him, after all the stuff he's done for her and her friends, Tyler included. I also liked Klaus taking Tyler down a few notches when he went over the the Gilbert house to gloat. I didn't get the you love though. I thought it was kind of presumptuous of her to think Klaus loves her Also, I have a question. Elena brings up Bonnie and tells Damon and you wonder why Bonnie hates you. Damon says I don't wonder, I don't care what she thinks of me. Is Elena bringing up Bonnie, and Damon saying he doesn't care what she thinks of him, are those throwaway lines or do they mean something? Klaus had a nice "yo mama" joke there, didn't he. It does show how lightyears away Klaus is in terms of how he handles himself. Caroline was all "you're STILL here", so Tyler had told her ahead of time he was going over to see Klaus with the intent of gloating and running his mouth. He was even getting himself a drink while he was doing it! Can you just not?! I think that if Caroline WAS trying to manipulate him with false words, it would be that line. Not that I think she was thinking "haha, he doesn't really love me but I'll play it like maybe he does and see where it gets me" but I do think she was sort of throwing that out there, hoping maybe it would stick. She's an 18yr old kid. She probably DOES think klaus is in love with her because that's what you do when you're that age. It's Klaus' reaction that is what's important because you could tell he hadn't even considered he was in love with her up to that point. IS he in love with her? I'm not sure. I kind of hope not, mostly because of the spin off UNLESS they plan on keeping Klaroline intact. If it's something that will be dropped right before he leaves, let's not throw out the L-Word because I need to see that with the person they ARE going to keep him with, you know? I've seen people think this is more about Klaus redemption before the new show than it is about Klaroline. They might be right, but that makes KC even more epic to me because she'd always be the one who brought that change out in him. I think the Bonnie thing was just to show how many things delena has stacked against them. There's literally no one (sans Rose) who are happy they are together (definitely a KC/DE parallel there). So bringing up how Bonnie, one of Elena's best friends hates Damon and how damon doesn't care was just the start of the "we don't work" argument they end up having. How are the DE fans reacting, josh? I've been stuck in my KC bubble. LOl, yeah, he was awesome in those scenes with Tyler. I guess Tyler was wrong last season and this season. He still is Klaus little [censored] lol. Sire bond or not, he's still Klaus [censored]. Yup, I agree. I think she was truthful, even about Klaus loving her. I don't think she was manipulating him at all. I think the whole Tyler plan went as far as putting her down to die in front of Klaus, so Klaus, since he has feelings for her, would save her. I think that was the extent of it, and nothing else was planned. Yeah, DE fans are happy with the episode. We loved it. I think it's just the Bonnie/Bamon fans mad, because Damon was about to kill Shane, knowing what it would do to Bonnie, and because Damon said he doesn't care about her. I don't get why that's a surprise though, or why Damon not caring about what others think of him is new. Damon only has a short list of people he care about, and obv. Bonnie isn't on that list, so he was IC with that. I'm glad he doesn't care what her friends think of him. Also, I think him not wanting to the cure is because of his insecurities, but I do think he was being truthful as well. That's not him like he said, that's Stefan. But yeah, us DE fans loved the episode. Wasn't any complaints from us. I just wished Damon would have killed Shane. Shane would have been a goner had Elena not come back when she did. I loved his face when Damon told him his plan had a loophole, that he doesn't give a garbage about Bonnie. LOL. All in all, I loved the episode. My two ships, DE and klaroline, got some good moments this episode. |
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Post by aeidail on Feb 8, 2013 10:46:42 GMT -5
I think that if Caroline WAS trying to manipulate him with false words, it would be that line. Not that I think she was thinking "haha, he doesn't really love me but I'll play it like maybe he does and see where it gets me" but I do think she was sort of throwing that out there, hoping maybe it would stick. She's an 18yr old kid. She probably DOES think klaus is in love with her because that's what you do when you're that age. It's Klaus' reaction that is what's important because you could tell he hadn't even considered he was in love with her up to that point. IS he in love with her? I'm not sure. I kind of hope not, mostly because of the spin off UNLESS they plan on keeping Klaroline intact. If it's something that will be dropped right before he leaves, let's not throw out the L-Word because I need to see that with the person they ARE going to keep him with, you know? I've seen people think this is more about Klaus redemption before the new show than it is about Klaroline. They might be right, but that makes KC even more epic to me because she'd always be the one who brought that change out in him. Wow...Yes, THIS!!! I feel like this episode kinda leads up to how it's all going to end. We'd not be able to NOT think about this during their last moments (that is if they plan on ending Klaroline his season). dear god, is this the compromise JoMo was talking about..."in the name of love" as he said or has it got something to do with sparing Tyler's life in the coming episodes? |
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Post by laurilu on Feb 8, 2013 10:51:21 GMT -5
am I the only one who can´t forgive Klaus that he hurt her, bit her and dropped her to floor like she was nothing and then looked so proud of himself? Condone? No. Forgive. Probably. He just say a second brother die before his eyes. It probably wasn't even necessary. I'm almost betting the cure is fake. And like someone said above. The tattoo was too lame to need to kill that many vampires to complete it. Then to top it off, he was stuck staring at his brother's body. Remember he loved his siblings in a twisted way. He carted their daggered bodies around with him. Then Tyler taunting him. And Caroline too. She was pretty cruel with how she was talking about Kol. He'd just spilled out to Damon how he hoped for her forgiveness and she pretty much cruelly killed it there by ganging up on him with Tyler. He figured "They think I'm bad? I'll show them bad." Remember his speech to Stefan? I can understand why they wouldn't trust him. But he had been upfront to them and they continuously stabbed him in the back. Where did it end up for him? Betrayal after betrayal. Leading to the ultimate betrayal of Kol. They dunderheads almost got Elena killed by not trusting Klaus about how bad Elena's hallucinations would get. It was a move to say "I was straightforward with you and you guys backstabbed me. I'll teach you not to backstab me!" And remember one stage of grief is anger. I'm sure that's...what was it they kept saying about Elena? Enhanced? Enhanced x 1000 in Klaus. As I see it Klaroline the real one, started las night, and te phrase: it's not about how we start, but how we end, was proven in 4x13 in a very literal way, because at the very end He just couldn't do it. An yes I do believe, that the initial plan was Caroline playing for the cure, but somewhere between the lies and allucinations the thruth came up, since she told him the same thing she told Stefan. I undestand how poeple are going to talk against Klaus and Klaroline, but they just don't get it, people like that girl Carina... she is going to have a blast! But in this world there are stories so brilliantly written that are not for everybody to understand; that is exactly what Klaroline is. |
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Post by vampdiaries808 on Feb 8, 2013 11:04:36 GMT -5
Condone? No. Forgive. Probably. He just say a second brother die before his eyes. It probably wasn't even necessary. I'm almost betting the cure is fake. And like someone said above. The tattoo was too lame to need to kill that many vampires to complete it. Then to top it off, he was stuck staring at his brother's body. Remember he loved his siblings in a twisted way. He carted their daggered bodies around with him. Then Tyler taunting him. And Caroline too. She was pretty cruel with how she was talking about Kol. He'd just spilled out to Damon how he hoped for her forgiveness and she pretty much cruelly killed it there by ganging up on him with Tyler. He figured "They think I'm bad? I'll show them bad." Remember his speech to Stefan? I can understand why they wouldn't trust him. But he had been upfront to them and they continuously stabbed him in the back. Where did it end up for him? Betrayal after betrayal. Leading to the ultimate betrayal of Kol. They dunderheads almost got Elena killed by not trusting Klaus about how bad Elena's hallucinations would get. It was a move to say "I was straightforward with you and you guys backstabbed me. I'll teach you not to backstab me!" And remember one stage of grief is anger. I'm sure that's...what was it they kept saying about Elena? Enhanced? Enhanced x 1000 in Klaus. As I see it Klaroline the real one, started las night, and te phrase: it's not about how we start, but how we end, was proven in 4x13 in a very literal way, because at the very end He just couldn't do it. An yes I do believe, that the initial plan was Caroline playing for the cure, but somewhere between the lies and allucinations the thruth came up, since she told him the same thing she told Stefan. I undestand how poeple are going to talk against Klaus and Klaroline, but they just don't get it, people like that girl Carina... she is going to have a blast! But in this world there are stories so brilliantly written that are not for everybody to understand; that is exactly what Klaroline is. ugh. I am NOT reading what Carina has to say. She doesnt understand their relationship or Klaus. Simple as that. It just shook me to my core how Klaus thought he could let her die, but he couldnt. |
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Post by laurilu on Feb 8, 2013 11:22:09 GMT -5
As I see it Klaroline the real one, started las night, and te phrase: it's not about how we start, but how we end, was proven in 4x13 in a very literal way, because at the very end He just couldn't do it. An yes I do believe, that the initial plan was Caroline playing for the cure, but somewhere between the lies and allucinations the thruth came up, since she told him the same thing she told Stefan. I undestand how poeple are going to talk against Klaus and Klaroline, but they just don't get it, people like that girl Carina... she is going to have a blast! But in this world there are stories so brilliantly written that are not for everybody to understand; that is exactly what Klaroline is. ugh. I am NOT reading what Carina has to say. She doesnt understand their relationship or Klaus. Simple as that. It just shook me to my core how Klaus thought he could let her die, but he couldnt. yeah but Carina!, sometimes I really laugh at what she says, she likes things without depth, one dimensional characters, just like the ones in the stories we were told as children, I'm gonna be really worried the day she and I agree on something. |
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Post by ladyjscarlett on Feb 8, 2013 13:40:20 GMT -5
WHERE ARE KATHERINE AND ELIJAH!? Off screen, shacking up somewhere.... |
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Post by ladyjscarlett on Feb 8, 2013 14:03:24 GMT -5
JUST LOOK AT HIS EXPRESSION!!! At first, I was hoping he would look down at her or something but no, this is PERFECT just the way it is. This has never happened to him, I suppose...it's affected him deeply. Accepting that he could have never gotten through this and now, it doesn't matter much about what happens next. And the things she said...especially "capable of being saved..." His reaction to that SAID IT ALL...it was just heart-breaking! I doubt Klaus has ever been told such a thing in his entire life! I just think my bby is just so shocked and yes, as you said, isnt used to this. His reaction was so powerful and you can tell he regretted what he did as soon as he saw the damage on her shoulder. The way he gently stroked her hair was adorable and its different from 3x11 because he didnt do that. Oh and dont get me started on Caroline holding onto his hand. Rebekah said he wasnt capable of love, Caroline said the opposite. It wasnt OOC for her because she always sees the good in others. Klaus has probably only felt the love of his siblings for the past 1000 years. I am not sure if he even knows what love is anymore. I think he called Caroline's omission a hallucination because he doesn't fully understand what he is feeling himself about her. Saw a theory that he was bit Caroline to prove that "love is not a weakness". But I also suspect that he stabbed Caroline and bit her, not just for the harsh words against Kol, but for "playing" him the first half of the season with the fake break-up with Tyler, and the for the constant distractions she provided. He was mad at himself for letting him care about anyone outside his family, and lashed out at her. You could almost see the regret in his face when Caroline asked to be taken away. And as biting as her words were to Tyler about extra-crispy Kol, I was really proud of Caroline for asking to be taken away from Klaus. Yes, he didn't deserve to watch her die and I am not sure she should have begged for her life at that point. I can't blame the Forwood shippers at this point. Tyler does care for Caroline, and the way he cradled her was sweet. I think his mouth gets him in more trouble that he realizes, and Caroline is always at the end of the consequences - the hybrids, etc... I don't see the chemistry, that is my own opinion. The ending - I re-watched it a few times. The chemistry oooh, still feel it and would squeal if I could. And up to that point, I am not sure anyone asked Klaus if he wanted to be saved, it is like he was entertaining the idea for the first time. I wonder if Caroline will get an apology? My theory is that Tyler may just leave on his own accord, not for Caroline and Klaus growing closer. I feel like Tyler realizes while Klaus is in the picture, his actions and his words (Tyler's) might cause Caroline damage. So, maybe he leaves and lets her be. |
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It does show how lightyears away Klaus is in terms of how he handles himself. Caroline was all "you're STILL here", so Tyler had told her ahead of time he was going over to see Klaus with the intent of gloating and running his mouth. He was even getting himself a drink while he was doing it! Can you just not?! 
