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Post by vampdiaries808 on Mar 15, 2013 8:35:02 GMT -5
Could be, but I thought it was executed so poorly that even that explanation doesn't really work for me. I just think they were trying to quickly throw them together before the spinoff--it was poor writing. And I agree, I think he was a bit OOC. I'll get over it too (his dimples always bring me around) but I'm really disappointed in this episode over all. I hope 4x17 is better. same here. i only enjoyed the steroline scenes tbh. (and shirtless klausy) NEXT WEEK IS KLEFAROLINE. YAY
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Post by tania on Mar 15, 2013 8:39:09 GMT -5
Surprisingly enough, I wasn't really upset by the sex scene (mayby because I was prepared for it?). I was however (and still am) very upset by the general fan reaction to it. I don't get how so many people got offended. Klaus and Caroline aren't a couple. She has spent the last two seasons rejecting him, over and over again (and trying to kill him some). And like Dee very accurately wrote, their last scene in 4x14 had a 'quitting' vibe in it. Plus, it was obvious (at least to me) that, emotionally, Klaus is still focused on Caroline. The thing with him and Hayley was purely physical. Seriously. Think about what lead to it. Caroline, Caroline, Caroline. Tyler, Tyler. They both want other people, and only used each other to cover their needs. There was no intimacy in that scene, no vulnerability, no romance. Klaus looked so angry and frustrated all the way through it...It was primal. Very different vibe than any Klaroline scenes ever had. The episode was just so bad overall, though. Like TVD on crack. I'm surprised to see that some bloggers loved it (Thomas Galvin was raving about it last night), but I think the fandom almost universally hated it. ETA: PT is hot but she needs to stop with the lip-biting, it makes it look like she tries too hard to be sexy. ETA 2: I'm over the Tyler stuff. Either bring him back for good, or let go, show.
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Post by vampdiaries808 on Mar 15, 2013 8:39:33 GMT -5
You're right, Mandy...its the girl he chose to do it with IRKED me. like, katherine/klaus would have been more bearable. do you guys think he'll act awkward for a bit around caroline though?
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Post by vampdiaries808 on Mar 15, 2013 8:45:13 GMT -5
Surprisingly enough, I wasn't really upset by the sex scene (mayby because I was prepared for it?). I was however (and still am) very upset by the general fan reaction to it. I don't get how so many people got offended. Klaus and Caroline aren't a couple. She has spent the last two seasons rejecting him, over and over again (and trying to kill him some). And like Dee very accurately wrote, their last scene in 4x14 had a 'quitting' vibe in it. Plus, it was obvious (at least to me) that, emotionally, Klaus is still focused on Caroline. The thing with him and Hayley was purely physical. Seriously. Think about what lead to it. Caroline, Caroline, Caroline. Tyler, Tyler. They both want other people, and only used each other to cover their needs. There was no intimacy in that scene, no vulnerability, no romance. Klaus looked so angry and frustrated all the way through it...It was primal. Very different vibe than any Klaroline scenes ever had. The episode was just so bad overall, though. Like TVD on crack. I'm surprised to see that some bloggers loved it (Thomas Galvin was raving about it last night), but I think the fandom almost universally hated it. i was prepared for it but i still got upset lol fail. but yeah there was alot of backlash on twitter especially, leading phobe to tweet something about it, julie RTing an angry spanish KC shipper saying 'i dont know what this says but it sounds angry' and jomo confirming that hate mail could be sent. I didnt send hate tweets but i was hate tweeting without mentioning anyone LOL. Yes, i found it telling that she kept bringing up caroline and that must have annoyed him so he needed to forget her for one second. and yeah the intimacy was non existant in my eyes too.
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Post by horsecrazy on Mar 15, 2013 8:55:30 GMT -5
There was no intimacy, just need. They are very obviously both hung up on other people and were just using one another. Klaus looked pretty ticked to me that she kept bringing up Caroline--in 4x14 when he walked away from her I got the sense that he was just sort of done. Not in that he no longer has feelings for her, of course, but that he is tired of chasing her with no reciprocation. I think his pursuing of her is done for the moment, and he's going to need some indication from her that it's worth his time if he's going to start up again.
I do wish people would be more mature about this. I hated the sex scene and didn't like the episode overall, but that is not the fault of any of the actors--they don't really have any control over what happens, and don't deserve any hatemail.
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Post by Donna on Mar 15, 2013 8:55:43 GMT -5
I saw a post on Tumblr that made sense. It is that we KNOW Hayley is going to go to the spin-off and Caroline is up in the air about the spin-off
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Post by Mandy on Mar 15, 2013 8:57:47 GMT -5
Surprisingly enough, I wasn't really upset by the sex scene (mayby because I was prepared for it?). I was however (and still am) very upset by the general fan reaction to it. I don't get how so many people got offended. Klaus and Caroline aren't a couple. She has spent the last two seasons rejecting him, over and over again (and trying to kill him some). And like Dee very accurately wrote, their last scene in 4x14 had a 'quitting' vibe in it. Plus, it was obvious (at least to me) that, emotionally, Klaus is still focused on Caroline. The thing with him and Hayley was purely physical. Seriously. Think about what lead to it. Caroline, Caroline, Caroline. Tyler, Tyler. They both want other people, and only used each other to cover their needs. There was no intimacy in that scene, no vulnerability, no romance. Klaus looked so angry and frustrated all the way through it...It was primal. Very different vibe than any Klaroline scenes ever had. The episode was just so bad overall, though. Like TVD on crack. I'm surprised to see that some bloggers loved it (Thomas Galvin was raving about it last night), but I think the fandom almost universally hated it. ETA: PT is hot but she needs to stop with the lip-biting, it makes it look like she tries too hard to be sexy. ETA 2: I'm over the Tyler stuff. Either bring him back for good, or let go, show. Same here. I'm embarrassed with some of the stuff I am seeing KC fans say. We talk a big game about being classy, but the Klayley tag is full of people just being mean. Who cares if someone ships it?! People turn around and gush over Steroline but if someone likes Klaus with multiple people then it's the most horrible thing in the whole world. I don't ship Klaus with anyone else YET, but it's coming....LOL. I'm so turned off the KC fanbase right now that I just wanna hang with happy Klayley shippers. Because they are probably REALLY happy. Poor Phoebe had to say something on twitter because people were saying stuff about her. I love her and all the hate is making me become a Hayley apologist and I don't even really like her. Agree on the Tyler thing. Like you said, we've heard more about him in the last 2 days than we have all season when he was actually here.
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Post by vampdiaries808 on Mar 15, 2013 9:10:46 GMT -5
Surprisingly enough, I wasn't really upset by the sex scene (mayby because I was prepared for it?). I was however (and still am) very upset by the general fan reaction to it. I don't get how so many people got offended. Klaus and Caroline aren't a couple. She has spent the last two seasons rejecting him, over and over again (and trying to kill him some). And like Dee very accurately wrote, their last scene in 4x14 had a 'quitting' vibe in it. Plus, it was obvious (at least to me) that, emotionally, Klaus is still focused on Caroline. The thing with him and Hayley was purely physical. Seriously. Think about what lead to it. Caroline, Caroline, Caroline. Tyler, Tyler. They both want other people, and only used each other to cover their needs. There was no intimacy in that scene, no vulnerability, no romance. Klaus looked so angry and frustrated all the way through it...It was primal. Very different vibe than any Klaroline scenes ever had. The episode was just so bad overall, though. Like TVD on crack. I'm surprised to see that some bloggers loved it (Thomas Galvin was raving about it last night), but I think the fandom almost universally hated it. ETA: PT is hot but she needs to stop with the lip-biting, it makes it look like she tries too hard to be sexy. ETA 2: I'm over the Tyler stuff. Either bring him back for good, or let go, show. Same here. I'm embarrassed with some of the stuff I am seeing KC fans say. We talk a big game about being classy, but the Klayley tag is full of people just being mean. Who cares if someone ships it?! People turn around and gush over Steroline but if someone likes Klaus with multiple people then it's the most horrible thing in the whole world. I don't ship Klaus with anyone else YET, but it's coming....LOL. I'm so turned off the KC fanbase right now that I just wanna hang with happy Klayley shippers. Because they are probably REALLY happy. Poor Phoebe had to say something on twitter because people were saying stuff about her. I love her and all the hate is making me become a Hayley apologist and I don't even really like her. Agree on the Tyler thing. Like you said, we've heard more about him in the last 2 days than we have all season when he was actually here. aww mandy *hugs* it'll pass, i promise. i think alot of people over reacted, indeed. i dont care if people ship opposing ships, let them ship what they want but TAG your hate. i haven't seen that as of late. this is random but i see marcel/hayley becoming a thing LOL i dunno why....just sounds like they'd mesh together. im not fond of hayley at all but tonkin? i have nothing against her.
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Post by KlausNCaroline on Mar 15, 2013 9:16:50 GMT -5
Klaus was in pain last night....I just cant...
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Post by tania on Mar 15, 2013 9:36:44 GMT -5
Same here. I'm embarrassed with some of the stuff I am seeing KC fans say. We talk a big game about being classy, but the Klayley tag is full of people just being mean. Who cares if someone ships it?! People turn around and gush over Steroline but if someone likes Klaus with multiple people then it's the most horrible thing in the whole world. I don't ship Klaus with anyone else YET, but it's coming....LOL. I'm so turned off the KC fanbase right now that I just wanna hang with happy Klayley shippers. Because they are probably REALLY happy. Poor Phoebe had to say something on twitter because people were saying stuff about her. I love her and all the hate is making me become a Hayley apologist and I don't even really like her. Agree on the Tyler thing. Like you said, we've heard more about him in the last 2 days than we have all season when he was actually here. Nah, KH doesn't really have a fanbase yet IMO. The 'happy' people are 90% klebekah/forwood/klefan/whatever else ship fans that feel threatened by KC and support anything that comes in the way (see also: Carina MacKenzie). I do agree that things got nasty with some KCers...and I feel terrible that people like Phoebe get hate, because she had no power over any of it. She is just a very real person who is trying to do her job. I'm looking at some gifs again and I have to say, JM was more toned than I thought he'd be for such a lean guy. MOAR.
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Post by vampdiaries808 on Mar 15, 2013 9:40:53 GMT -5
Same here. I'm embarrassed with some of the stuff I am seeing KC fans say. We talk a big game about being classy, but the Klayley tag is full of people just being mean. Who cares if someone ships it?! People turn around and gush over Steroline but if someone likes Klaus with multiple people then it's the most horrible thing in the whole world. I don't ship Klaus with anyone else YET, but it's coming....LOL. I'm so turned off the KC fanbase right now that I just wanna hang with happy Klayley shippers. Because they are probably REALLY happy. Poor Phoebe had to say something on twitter because people were saying stuff about her. I love her and all the hate is making me become a Hayley apologist and I don't even really like her. Agree on the Tyler thing. Like you said, we've heard more about him in the last 2 days than we have all season when he was actually here. Nah, KH doesn't really have a fanbase yet IMO. The 'happy' people are 90% klebekah/forwood/klefan/whatever else ship fans that feel threatened by KC and support anything that comes in the way (see also: Carina MacKenzie). I do agree that things got nasty with some KCers...and I feel terrible that people like Phoebe get hate, because she had no power over any of it. She is just a very real person who is trying to do her job. I'm looking at some gifs again and I have to say, JM was more toned than I thought he'd be for such a lean guy. MOAR.THIS AND THIS^ and yeah things DID get nasty but I dont blame their anger...just as long as its not directed to any cast and crew. Jomo's back....UNF. and we get to see it again in 4x18. SWOOOOOOOOOONING
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Post by Mandy on Mar 15, 2013 9:46:21 GMT -5
Same here. I'm embarrassed with some of the stuff I am seeing KC fans say. We talk a big game about being classy, but the Klayley tag is full of people just being mean. Who cares if someone ships it?! People turn around and gush over Steroline but if someone likes Klaus with multiple people then it's the most horrible thing in the whole world. I don't ship Klaus with anyone else YET, but it's coming....LOL. I'm so turned off the KC fanbase right now that I just wanna hang with happy Klayley shippers. Because they are probably REALLY happy. Poor Phoebe had to say something on twitter because people were saying stuff about her. I love her and all the hate is making me become a Hayley apologist and I don't even really like her. Agree on the Tyler thing. Like you said, we've heard more about him in the last 2 days than we have all season when he was actually here. Nah, KH doesn't really have a fanbase yet IMO. The 'happy' people are 90% klebekah/forwood/klefan/whatever else ship fans that feel threatened by KC and support anything that comes in the way (see also: Carina MacKenzie). I do agree that things got nasty with some KCers...and I feel terrible that people like Phoebe get hate, because she had no power over any of it. She is just a very real person who is trying to do her job. I'm looking at some gifs again and I have to say, JM was more toned than I thought he'd be for such a lean guy. MOAR.Oh yes, being in the gym worked out for him I follow a couple "real" Klayley shippers, ones who have been shipping them since she had her first scenes with him, but I do agree most are probably ones who just don't want him with Caroline..which again, I guess is ok. You gotta start somewhere...lol I don't know. I just need some good KC stuff coming up because my Klaroline heart is going the way of my klefan heart right now. Not because of THEM, because I actually loved all the little Klaroline mentions. I'm just the odd man out in the fandom, I think. It's tough being a Klaus fan first sometimes.
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Post by vampdiaries808 on Mar 15, 2013 9:51:10 GMT -5
Nah, KH doesn't really have a fanbase yet IMO. The 'happy' people are 90% klebekah/forwood/klefan/whatever else ship fans that feel threatened by KC and support anything that comes in the way (see also: Carina MacKenzie). I do agree that things got nasty with some KCers...and I feel terrible that people like Phoebe get hate, because she had no power over any of it. She is just a very real person who is trying to do her job. I'm looking at some gifs again and I have to say, JM was more toned than I thought he'd be for such a lean guy. MOAR.Oh yes, being in the gym worked out for him I follow a couple "real" Klayley shippers, ones who have been shipping them since she had her first scenes with him, but I do agree most are probably ones who just don't want him with Caroline..which again, I guess is ok. You gotta start somewhere...lol I don't know. I just need some good KC stuff coming up because my Klaroline heart is going the way of my klefan heart right now. Not because of THEM, because I actually loved all the little Klaroline mentions. I'm just the odd man out in the fandom, I think. It's tough being a Klaus fan first sometimes. mandy, we still accept you dont worry LOL. its ok to be a klaus fan first. I love my bb Klausy but I think I might be a Caroline stan first because Ive supported her ever since season 2. I haven't liked Klaus until S3 came. But I LOVE him so much now. lol I loved all the klaroline mentions too but i MISS KLEFANNNNNNNNNN. 4x17 guise. i saw this AWESOME theory that MATT. yes, MATT is possessed by Silas!!!
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Post by vampdiaries808 on Mar 15, 2013 9:54:17 GMT -5
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Post by Mandy on Mar 15, 2013 11:17:09 GMT -5
Technically Matt wouldn't be possessed, Silas would just be making himself look like him. David Alpay, my love, tweeted about loving 4x17 so I think he's back on it next week. YAY! Matt DID get this weird half smile on his face and the music got a little more darker right when it happened (yep, already rewatched this morning ) Either they'll explain next week or Matt just looked constipated for a second..haha
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