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Post by Mandy on Oct 24, 2012 8:14:59 GMT -5
I know I'm probably alone in this, but I'd rather the breakup is Stelena than Forwood. Please don't kill me. Now let me explain myself. So far we have: a) Julie Plec saying that Forwood will be stronger that it seems. b) Candice and Michael filming an awful lot together for the Christmas episode. We know Hayley gets introduced in 4x03, but her and Caroline most likely don't cross paths until 4x05 (Candice isn't even credited for 4x04). Forwood breaking up an episode after the Hayley drama begins just doesn't seem right to me. It feels forced. I can see Caroline being angry at Tyler or jealous of his connection with Hayley, but leaving him immediately? How are they "stronger that it seems" if she doesn't even try to accept his explanation? Plus, I can't picture broken-up Forwood spending Christmas together (which is what they do, according to the filming spoilers), not to mention that the cause of their problems aka Hayley is with them in some of the Christmas scenes...making me think that either Forwood isn't the couple that breaks up or that they have gotten back together by 4x09 (proving that Forwood is indeed strong like Julie says). Don't get me wrong, I desperately want Forwood to break up. But when it happens, I want it to be a legit breakup that lasts, not a contrived one that will lead them back together three episodes later. I want my ship to get a LEGIT chance, not some fake hope for two episodes only to go back to Forwood's "epic love" when Tyler explains himself to Caroline. Ultimately, I want Caroline to leave this relationship behind because she realises she wants more from life, not because she gets jealous of some other girl Tyler knows... I'll have to go back and read the spoiler again, but did she say a couple was breaking up or that a couple was seriously on the outs? To me, those two things sound differently. Unfortunately, I could see Forwood breaking up for a couple of episodes and then getting back together for the Christmas one. I think we'll have a better clue here in a few weeks when the Christmas one starts getting spoiled. Gah, I just want to knowwwww!. JP saying they were stronger than they seem keeps coming back to haunt me. Did she mean in like the first couple of episodes? There were people speculating before the season started that Klaus in Tyler's body would break them. Does she mean the Hayley thing won't in get their way? Does she mean if they break up in 4x06 that it won't last? I almost wish we wouldn't get spoilers like this. But yes, when Forwood breaks up (and they will, because a.) no stays together on this show and b.) they won't ignore the popularity of Klaroline) I want it to last.
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Post by vampdiaries808 on Oct 24, 2012 8:21:08 GMT -5
I know I'm probably alone in this, but I'd rather the breakup is Stelena than Forwood. Please don't kill me. Now let me explain myself. So far we have: a) Julie Plec saying that Forwood will be stronger that it seems. b) Candice and Michael filming an awful lot together for the Christmas episode. We know Hayley gets introduced in 4x03, but her and Caroline most likely don't cross paths until 4x05 (Candice isn't even credited for 4x04). Forwood breaking up an episode after the Hayley drama begins just doesn't seem right to me. It feels forced. I can see Caroline being angry at Tyler or jealous of his connection with Hayley, but leaving him immediately? How are they "stronger that it seems" if she doesn't even try to accept his explanation? Plus, I can't picture broken-up Forwood spending Christmas together (which is what they do, according to the filming spoilers), not to mention that the cause of their problems aka Hayley is with them in some of the Christmas scenes...making me think that either Forwood isn't the couple that breaks up or that they have gotten back together by 4x09 (proving that Forwood is indeed strong like Julie says). Don't get me wrong, I desperately want Forwood to break up. But when it happens, I want it to be a legit breakup that lasts, not a contrived one that will lead them back together three episodes later. I want my ship to get a LEGIT chance, not some fake hope for two episodes only to go back to Forwood's "epic love" when Tyler explains himself to Caroline. Ultimately, I want Caroline to leave this relationship behind because she realises she wants more from life, not because she gets jealous of some other girl Tyler knows... I'll have to go back and read the spoiler again, but did she say a couple was breaking up or that a couple was seriously on the outs? To me, those two things sound differently. Unfortunately, I could see Forwood breaking up for a couple of episodes and then getting back together for the Christmas one. I think we'll have a better clue here in a few weeks when the Christmas one starts getting spoiled. Gah, I just want to knowwwww!. JP saying they were stronger than they seem keeps coming back to haunt me. Did she mean in like the first couple of episodes? There were people speculating before the season started that Klaus in Tyler's body would break them. Does she mean the Hayley thing won't in get their way? Does she mean if they break up in 4x06 that it won't last? I almost wish we wouldn't get spoilers like this. But yes, when Forwood breaks up (and they will, because a.) no stays together on this show and b.) they won't ignore the popularity of Klaroline) I want it to last. Im refusing to see Stelena be the couple on outs. NO THANK YOU. (I feel like Im the only one on this forum that supports either DE or SE LOL) anyways, I know forwood will break up because as you said, its inevitable and Klaroline will get their payoff. Its a triangle afterall. Both sides have to be explored. So Im staying very firm on that. ;D and as for the "strong" comment, JP was asked to say something good about them. She cannot say that they're gonna be on the rocks, Hayley's trouble, etc. It could be until the mid-season finale, but of course we'll still get KC build up. its gonna be really, really frustrating but Im not ever giving up on my otp ok? xD
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Post by Donna on Oct 24, 2012 8:24:11 GMT -5
I'm riding the fence with Dee. Except I'm riding the SE DE fence. If I had to choose one at this moment, it'd probably be SE.
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Post by tania on Oct 24, 2012 8:27:46 GMT -5
Yeah, it seems that right now Stelena have more issues in their relationship than Forwood...They have unresolved problems from season 3, the blood-sharing with Damon was a very big deal and there are supposed to be some intense Delena scenes in 4x04. It would make sense to me if Stefan and Elena broke up in the near future (btw i ship neither SE or DE).
Also, from what Phoebe Tonkin is saying about her character, there will be no immediate Tayley romance. I think there's definitely going to be some tension there for a while, but no break-up because of her. I'd like to think that Caroline and Tyler will slowly grow apart for various reasons and then Hayley will get involved as a romantic interest for him...She can console him while Caroline travels the world with Klaus ;D.
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Post by vampdiaries808 on Oct 24, 2012 8:28:29 GMT -5
I'm riding the fence with Dee. Except I'm riding the SE DE fence. If I had to choose one at this moment, it'd probably be SE. HELL YES. STELENA FOR THE EPIC WIN. And my other otp supports them, which is perfect.
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Post by Donna on Oct 24, 2012 8:32:52 GMT -5
Another good post Tania. It seems that Stefan is pushing Elena to the bunny diet when he knows that didn't work to well for him. And has little faith in her when there are several others around that can eat human blood without going ripper. This may be a SE irritant.
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Post by tania on Oct 24, 2012 9:02:02 GMT -5
Let's face it, if Delena is going to happen somehow during season 4 (which I'm almost sure of), she has to break up with Stefan before the mid-season finale. Because I don't see her jumping from one brother to another. There's got be a transition period before she goes to Damon... I'll have to go back and read the spoiler again, but did she say a couple was breaking up or that a couple was seriously on the outs? To me, those two things sound differently. Unfortunately, I could see Forwood breaking up for a couple of episodes and then getting back together for the Christmas one. I think we'll have a better clue here in a few weeks when the Christmas one starts getting spoiled. Gah, I just want to knowwwww!. JP saying they were stronger than they seem keeps coming back to haunt me. Did she mean in like the first couple of episodes? There were people speculating before the season started that Klaus in Tyler's body would break them. Does she mean the Hayley thing won't in get their way? Does she mean if they break up in 4x06 that it won't last? I almost wish we wouldn't get spoilers like this. But yes, when Forwood breaks up (and they will, because a.) no stays together on this show and b.) they won't ignore the popularity of Klaroline) I want it to last. Carina said a couple would be on the outs, but she did mention the word "break-up" as well. So I think she's talking about an actual break-up. I'm trying to be a realist here... If Forwood break up as early as 4x06 with no valid reason other than some stupid jealousy stuff, you know it's inevitable that they'll be back together before the season ends. But if their break-up happens later in the season, after the writers show us some actual struggle in their relationship, there is more chance of it lasting. At least in my opinion. And I just remembered that interview with Julie Plec from the summer, where she talked about Caroline and said that in the first half of the season she will be trying to be a good girlfriend and stay in a commited relationship with Tyler. That doesn't sound like they're going to break up soon. (I think that was the same interview where she mentioned the "love" word about Klaus, causing the fandom to go cray )
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Post by vampdiaries808 on Oct 24, 2012 9:11:08 GMT -5
Let's face it, if Delena is going to happen somehow during season 4 (which I'm almost sure of), she has to break up with Stefan before the mid-season finale. Because I don't see her jumping from one brother to another. There's got be a transition period before she goes to Damon... I'll have to go back and read the spoiler again, but did she say a couple was breaking up or that a couple was seriously on the outs? To me, those two things sound differently. Unfortunately, I could see Forwood breaking up for a couple of episodes and then getting back together for the Christmas one. I think we'll have a better clue here in a few weeks when the Christmas one starts getting spoiled. Gah, I just want to knowwwww!. JP saying they were stronger than they seem keeps coming back to haunt me. Did she mean in like the first couple of episodes? There were people speculating before the season started that Klaus in Tyler's body would break them. Does she mean the Hayley thing won't in get their way? Does she mean if they break up in 4x06 that it won't last? I almost wish we wouldn't get spoilers like this. But yes, when Forwood breaks up (and they will, because a.) no stays together on this show and b.) they won't ignore the popularity of Klaroline) I want it to last. Carina said a couple would be on the outs, but she did mention the word "break-up" as well. So I think she's talking about an actual break-up. I'm trying to be a realist here... If Forwood break up as early as 4x06 with no valid reason other than some stupid jealousy stuff, you know it's inevitable that they'll be back together before the season ends. But if their break-up happens later in the season, after the writers show us some actual struggle in their relationship, there is more chance of it lasting. At least in my opinion. And I just remembered that interview with Julie Plec from the summer, where she talked about Caroline and said that in the first half of the season she will be trying to be a good girlfriend and stay in a commited relationship with Tyler. That doesn't sound like they're going to break up soon. (I think that was the same interview where she mentioned the "love" word about Klaus, causing the fandom to go cray ) Great post. and I agree with the fact that the later tyler/caroline breaks up, the longer it will last. More problems would arise in that sense. and yes, I remember that interview!!! But Caroline may start to crack in 4x07....LOL can't wait to see Klaus' seduction pay off
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Post by Mandy on Oct 24, 2012 9:27:04 GMT -5
Let's face it, if Delena is going to happen somehow during season 4 (which I'm almost sure of), she has to break up with Stefan before the mid-season finale. Because I don't see her jumping from one brother to another. There's got be a transition period before she goes to Damon... I'll have to go back and read the spoiler again, but did she say a couple was breaking up or that a couple was seriously on the outs? To me, those two things sound differently. Unfortunately, I could see Forwood breaking up for a couple of episodes and then getting back together for the Christmas one. I think we'll have a better clue here in a few weeks when the Christmas one starts getting spoiled. Gah, I just want to knowwwww!. JP saying they were stronger than they seem keeps coming back to haunt me. Did she mean in like the first couple of episodes? There were people speculating before the season started that Klaus in Tyler's body would break them. Does she mean the Hayley thing won't in get their way? Does she mean if they break up in 4x06 that it won't last? I almost wish we wouldn't get spoilers like this. But yes, when Forwood breaks up (and they will, because a.) no stays together on this show and b.) they won't ignore the popularity of Klaroline) I want it to last. Carina said a couple would be on the outs, but she did mention the word "break-up" as well. So I think she's talking about an actual break-up. I'm trying to be a realist here... If Forwood break up as early as 4x06 with no valid reason other than some stupid jealousy stuff, you know it's inevitable that they'll be back together before the season ends. But if their break-up happens later in the season, after the writers show us some actual struggle in their relationship, there is more chance of it lasting. At least in my opinion. And I just remembered that interview with Julie Plec from the summer, where she talked about Caroline and said that in the first half of the season she will be trying to be a good girlfriend and stay in a commited relationship with Tyler. That doesn't sound like they're going to break up soon. (I think that was the same interview where she mentioned the "love" word about Klaus, causing the fandom to go cray ) Ok, so maybe it is Stelena. Either way, for whatever reason, Tyler takes and is distracted by Haley at the MMF dance, so obviously something happens to get to that point. I understant Haley tagging along if she had no one to go with, but different spoilers have all used to word "date" in regards to Hayley and Tyler that episode. I like how JP says that Caroline will be TRYING to be a good girlfriend. Wonder who's tempting her to not be? For the record, I really don't ship either SE or DE but if I had to chose, I'd go with SE. Damon would be the worlds worst boyfriend. Every time he gets mad, he either kills someone or sleeps with someone. Plus the whole Damon thing of compelling girls to be his girlfriend.....
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Post by vampdiaries808 on Oct 24, 2012 9:32:11 GMT -5
Let's face it, if Delena is going to happen somehow during season 4 (which I'm almost sure of), she has to break up with Stefan before the mid-season finale. Because I don't see her jumping from one brother to another. There's got be a transition period before she goes to Damon... Carina said a couple would be on the outs, but she did mention the word "break-up" as well. So I think she's talking about an actual break-up. I'm trying to be a realist here... If Forwood break up as early as 4x06 with no valid reason other than some stupid jealousy stuff, you know it's inevitable that they'll be back together before the season ends. But if their break-up happens later in the season, after the writers show us some actual struggle in their relationship, there is more chance of it lasting. At least in my opinion. And I just remembered that interview with Julie Plec from the summer, where she talked about Caroline and said that in the first half of the season she will be trying to be a good girlfriend and stay in a commited relationship with Tyler. That doesn't sound like they're going to break up soon. (I think that was the same interview where she mentioned the "love" word about Klaus, causing the fandom to go cray ) Ok, so maybe it is Stelena. Either way, for whatever reason, Tyler takes and is distracted by Haley at the MMF dance, so obviously something happens to get to that point. I understant Haley tagging along if she had no one to go with, but different spoilers have all used to word "date" in regards to Hayley and Tyler that episode. I like how JP says that Caroline will be TRYING to be a good girlfriend. Wonder who's tempting her to not be? For the record, I really don't ship either SE or DE but if I had to chose, I'd go with SE. Damon would be the worlds worst boyfriend. Every time he gets mad, he either kills someone or sleeps with someone. Plus the whole Damon thing of compelling girls to be his girlfriend..... YAYYYY MORE STELENA STANS!!!!!!!!!!!!! HELL YES. LOL I still love Damon to bits though....just not with elena. and yes, I find it significant that it didnt say that tyler and hayley go as friends. will tyler ask hayley or the other way around? and Klaus goes to find Caroline obviously. they wouldnt go as dates. ;D
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Post by Mandy on Oct 24, 2012 10:45:04 GMT -5
Ok, so maybe it is Stelena. Either way, for whatever reason, Tyler takes and is distracted by Haley at the MMF dance, so obviously something happens to get to that point. I understant Haley tagging along if she had no one to go with, but different spoilers have all used to word "date" in regards to Hayley and Tyler that episode. I like how JP says that Caroline will be TRYING to be a good girlfriend. Wonder who's tempting her to not be? For the record, I really don't ship either SE or DE but if I had to chose, I'd go with SE. Damon would be the worlds worst boyfriend. Every time he gets mad, he either kills someone or sleeps with someone. Plus the whole Damon thing of compelling girls to be his girlfriend..... YAYYYY MORE STELENA STANS!!!!!!!!!!!!! HELL YES. LOL I still love Damon to bits though....just not with elena. and yes, I find it significant that it didnt say that tyler and hayley go as friends. will tyler ask hayley or the other way around? and Klaus goes to find Caroline obviously. they wouldnt go as dates. ;D I like Damon too, just not as a romantic pairing for Elena. He needs to move on. I think Hayley will ask him for some reason.
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Post by vampdiaries808 on Oct 24, 2012 10:54:02 GMT -5
YAYYYY MORE STELENA STANS!!!!!!!!!!!!! HELL YES. LOL I still love Damon to bits though....just not with elena. and yes, I find it significant that it didnt say that tyler and hayley go as friends. will tyler ask hayley or the other way around? and Klaus goes to find Caroline obviously. they wouldnt go as dates. ;D I like Damon too, just not as a romantic pairing for Elena. He needs to move on. I think Hayley will ask him for some reason. i cant really see tyler asking her, knowing it'd [censored] off caroline.
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Post by vampdiaries808 on Oct 24, 2012 11:16:29 GMT -5
CAROLINE DRIES WROTE 4X07. DO YOU KNOW WHAT THIS MEANS?!
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Post by Mandy on Oct 24, 2012 11:39:35 GMT -5
CAROLINE DRIES WROTE 4X07. DO YOU KNOW WHAT THIS MEANS?! she wrote 3x14, right? The ball?
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Post by cashima on Oct 24, 2012 11:43:45 GMT -5
Had to come in and say I'm more anti-SE than pro-DE. I just cannot for the life of me stand those two as a couple. I never could, right from the first episode. For me this breakup would be a good thing for Elena so she can finally grow up and stop whining about her old life. It would be good for the brothers to repair their relationship. I also want Caroline to have a real breakup with Tyler. The way their relationship is now she can stay with him until Christmas. There's no threat there. ;D
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